884: Entrepreneurial enlightenment and the power of NOW w/ Deepesh Saxena

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Hey, what is up?

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Welcome to this episode of the Wantrepreneur to Entrepreneur podcast.

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As always, I'm your host, brian LoFermento, and I'll tell you what today's episode is one that I've been looking forward to for quite some time now, because today's entrepreneur not only is incredible from an entrepreneurial perspective and a business perspective he's built a national brand that serves so many different clients.

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He's got a really impressive client portfolio but also this is someone who, I think, has such an incredible and infectious attitude towards not just business but also to life and, of course, the two goes hand in hand, because success leaves clues, and these are the things that it takes to build a successful business.

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So let me tell you about today's guest.

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His name is Dipesh Saxena.

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Dipesh is the CEO of CMIT Solutions of Silver Spring.

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Saxena Depeche is the CEO of CMIT Solutions of Silver Spring.

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Cmit Solutions is a premier IT managed services and solutions company, which is a national brand dedicated to ensuring enterprise class IT support to small and medium businesses belonging to any industry across North America.

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Now, what I love about Depeche's background is that he is a big believer in the power of being in the now.

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It's going to be such an important component of today's conversation because Depeche grows his business and runs his business not just because he loves IT and because he loves business, but because he believes that entrepreneurship, and all of this stuff that we all work so hard on, is about freedom.

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This is someone we're all going to learn a lot from today, so I'm not going to say anything else.

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Let's dive straight into my interview with Dipesh Saxena.

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All right, dipesh, I am so excited that you're here with us today.

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First things first, welcome to the show.

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Thank you, thanks, brian.

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Thank you for having me.

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It's great to be here.

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Heck, yes, and I know we're going to get not only into all things business and IT and all of that, but also I know how important it is to you for the mindset stuff.

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So before we get to all that fun stuff, take us beyond the bio.

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Who's Deepesh?

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How did you start doing all these amazing things that you're up to?

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All right.

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So, yeah, beyond the bio is where life is right.

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So I look at life in two different parts.

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There is the real bio part we talk about which is carrier and what we do, and then there is the part about living.

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So if I have to talk about my journey on either side of it, it's been interesting.

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Side of it it's it's been interesting.

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It's been great on the carrier side, if you ask me.

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I started off being a science high schooler, got into arts, did economics and then did commerce and finally got into finance as a chartered accountant in India and then moved actually into IT when I moved to Dubai, having worked for, you know, these public accounting companies I used to work.

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I started off my career with Ernst Young, then got into IT, did a lot of IT consulting and that's kind of what brought me to the US Again, stayed in consulting for some time, jumped across the border into corporate IT, ran IT systems and enterprise systems for large billion-dollar companies for some time and then finally decided that you know, I need to do something of my own.

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Let me get this technology from the enterprise level to the small and medium businesses.

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So that was my journey on the carrier side of things, but I think the real journey is on the living side of it, of life itself.

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And there we talk of you know spirituality.

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We talk of you know spirituality.

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We talk of mindfulness.

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I had a very interesting perspective into the whole thing right from my childhood because I used to live with my grandparents.

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My mom's parents died and my granddad was actually what you call a guru.

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He had disciples, he was training people in meditation and all sorts of things and there I was living with him 24-7 with no interest, absolutely no clue, of what's going on.

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More interested in, actually, you know, making sure that the place is set up right.

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People come in and you know they can do what they want.

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Making sure that the place is set up right.

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People come in and you know they can do what they want, but having no interest in whatever is going on on the so-called spiritual side of things.

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To the extent that I actually asked my granddad one day that you know, hey, how does this work?

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I live with you but have no interest in what you're doing.

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And interestingly, thankfully, he said don't worry about it, let it go, it'll happen.

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When it happens, you don't need to worry about that.

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Time went by, I moved along, my career kept going and I actually then, when I landed up in the US, I got exposed to some other you know a lot of things which are related to spirituality, something called Kriya Yoga, and then I got involved with the Isha Foundation of Sadhguru, went through all kinds of initiations, trainings, yoga classes, did everything for a long time and then finally said, okay, enough, enough, it's just going to go on, and I'm getting more and more conditioned into what everybody is telling us, which is when, end of the day, it's a realization, which is when I realized that you know, this is the machinery or this is the technology that we need to learn about.

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Is you know the human technology to know about ourselves and figure out you know where we are, what we need to do, and, frankly speaking, that's when life begins, when you actually understand what is now where you are, and so that's been my journey all through.

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Yeah, gosh, I love that overview for so many reasons.

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I think that you so delicately really weave through those.

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You really I mean you spelled it out for us in those two facets which is career wise, but also the life wise.

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This is what life is all about, and, deepesh, I always argue on this show is that business is just a microcosm of life.

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In fact, I believe that everything is just a microcosm of life.

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When we sit down at a chess board together, that is teaching us invaluable life lessons if we're open to it and if we're present to it.

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And I think that it's so revealing as you've grown your business and as you have served so many of your own clients.

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We can talk about IT, but I think the powerful thing is a word that you use there with us, which is realization.

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And so when we talk about realizations today's conversation we're definitely going to talk about both sides of the coin of the professional journey, as well as the more spiritual side of things that plays into your success.

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But talk to us about that realization because, having a successful career, you've had so many different, incredible opportunities in your professional career to serve others.

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Where did that realization come through that led to you becoming the CEO of your own business and also I'm going to play into there because I want to plant this seed so you can walk us there today.

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Where did freedom play into that?

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Why was that such an essential ingredient to you going out on your own?

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You going out on your own.

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So it's interesting that you know, we look at a subset and then we try to fit in life into that.

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Right, we're talking of career and we're saying, hey, where does spirituality fit into it?

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It's the other way around.

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We have a life that we are living and we need to understand the positioning or the part which we call our job or our career or success as such.

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We need to realize that that's just a part of the bigger picture here.

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So once you understand that bigger picture, then it's not a question of when did I succeed or how did I succeed or what made me think about it, or where's the realization about?

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You know the work, part of it.

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It's more of all.

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Right now I know where I am, whatever happened has happened.

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That's actually the past and that really keeps you from understanding what is happening now.

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So you really start living in the now.

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And I think when I say realization, you know you would have heard these terms of I don't know moksha, nirvana, you know getting out of the whole thing, and the expectation is you sit down to meditate and suddenly there's a thunderbolt or something.

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Some lightning will strike and you will suddenly be the most knowledgeable person in the world.

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Well, nothing like that happens.

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It's a realization.

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You have to be where you are to understand what you're doing and then, whether it's a journey for your work or for your life, it's all one.

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And when that happens, it really doesn't, you know, change as much as we expect it to change.

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But what really comes into your understanding is that you then understand the whole, you know life, that you've been living and are much more confident and understanding of what is happening and all the conflicts which are running in our head.

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That you know, should I do this, should I not do this, is this going to give me a gain or a loss?

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Just goes away.

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And the interesting thing at that point is when all that goes away, what we call success actually takes a completely different meaning.

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And that success is way beyond something we can imagine.

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It's not limited to I don't know, money, reputation, identity.

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No, it's not limited to that.

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It's something which is way beyond, because at that point your life, your mind, has the energy actually to get engaged in what you're doing.

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And that engagement is multiple fold, much more involving than we would do when we set up a goal and say, hey, I'm going to chase that goal.

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So that's kind of where it changed, and it changes when you start realizing those things.

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Yeah, I really love that because I mean I'm just going to call this out publicly here is, I feel like, culturally, we really have fallen into.

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You've already called out the trap which is trying to figure out.

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We say the phrase work-life balance as if they are two opposing forces, and I think that that's something that we, as entrepreneurs, we've realized that all of this makes up life, and I think that that's such a core part of your message when we talk about these things, and so it feels a bit silly asking you some of the more traditional questions that we hear on business podcasts, because it does separate those two and so much of your messaging, even just in my research and obviously in the guest questioner that we have that kicks off my research you talk about.

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I love this phrase.

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I'm actually going to read it out loud for listeners.

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You said life is now, it is already happening, so we are either living or not.

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Deepesh, I would love for you to share some of your mindset here, because I know that it's something that does plague.

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I'm going to call out entrepreneurs, but I'm also going to call out entrepreneurs is that they're always preparing for something, something in the future and you kind of alluded to.

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They think that there's going to be some magical moment or a flash of lightning that all of a sudden, things are solved.

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Talk to us about that mindset, because the reality is as humans.

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Obviously we do have a lot of these things running in our heads, but I'd love to tap into your mind to hear your thoughts on it so I I call that the, the chase that we are in for becoming.

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We are actually chasing becoming.

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While we need to learn about being, we are human beings.

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If you understand what being is, you don't need to become anything.

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Actually, you already become when you were born.

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That's the biggest miracle that has ever happened and there's no other miracle bigger than that.

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So once we accept that miracle, you start being or you start living and you stop chasing becoming.

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And that's the conflict that's always in our mind, which keeps us chasing or running after doing something, whereas the moment you know about being, you really don't need to become anything.

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You are already what you have to be.

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It's a question of accepting where you are, what you're doing, and then live that part.

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We are not living, we are chasing.

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We are after becoming something else, because doing has become so important.

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And that's where the differentiation is always going to be that you have to understand that we have to stop believing.

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We actually believe a lot and we are too confident about what we know and what we do and there are no questions.

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We don't have the right questions or we go and ask the wrong people about that, whereas you know we're sitting on our own own encyclopedia here which has got all the answers.

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If we just start listening to ourselves, and that's that's the differentiation of how do we stop becoming and start being, because becoming, then, is actually just a byproduct of living.

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Back to the whole point about, you know, work versus life.

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Work is just a part of life.

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You can never have balance there.

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It's a subset of life.

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So if you're living, work will automatically happen.

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You will do what is required for living, not for becoming.

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Yeah, I love the way you articulated that.

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I think, even pointing out that colloquialism of a human being really speaks to the fact that we are.

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We already are, whether we realize it or not, quite frankly, every single listener, you already are what you are.

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But, depeche, part of the fun of being in this role as a podcast host is I always think about what the listeners may be thinking.

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If they're driving, listening to us right now, if they're at the gym, whatever it is that they're doing, their counterpoint might be well, dipesh, you have grown a very successful business.

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We are all growth-oriented beings as entrepreneurs, it's something that's inside of our DNA.

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Where does growth come from?

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If we're focusing on the now and obviously we all have goals in the future that we want to accomplish how does growth fit into also being and acknowledging that moment of here?

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We are exactly where we are right now.

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Yeah.

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So if you look at it from a business perspective, growth is basically we're talking of numbers, we're talking of how we're becoming more successful, or we're actually becoming successful, and we're trying to relate that growth as a part of you know, whatever we do as an entrepreneur, I think that part is a part of the chasing and the becoming.

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The moment we actually realize that growth is not something to be chased.

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When you start living, you will be amazed at the energy and the options that you will get.

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When your mind is completely free of that chase, when you are not after doing something, that doing becomes.

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You know it's not a doing anymore.

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It's so easy.

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Which you will hear from a lot of entrepreneurs, especially like me, who have come from the corporate or from a job into being an entrepreneur is that work is no more work.

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You actually enjoy what you're doing.

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But the key is to understand why that happened, because then your mind and your time that you have, you have the energy to do whatever you want, which is again related to freedom, because when you can do what you want, you are not worried about what others may know, others may think or what else may happen.

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And when you take this in terms of your life, all the conflicts that are there in your mind.

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Go away and think about it.

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If you are so focused at that point that whatever you're doing is all that you're thinking of, then the success is going to be way beyond that.

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We put in our balance sheets and P&L and say, hey, three years, I need to be there.

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You'll probably be.

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You know, achieving multiples of that already, because that's not, you know, taking up your mind space, because half the time our mind is occupied with am I going to hit that number or not?

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And that's when you actually don't want it to be so focused on that.

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Rather, you are so engaged in doing what you're doing that you really don't care.

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And we've all seen this.

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When you have these sudden successes that you think, hey, I never planned for it.

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If you go back and look at it, you will realize that you were actually not really.

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I never planned for it.

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If you go back and look at it, you will realize that you were actually not really worried about it when that happened.

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And that's when success happens, that's when growth happens.

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Yeah, I love that perspective, especially because I think it fits in with something that doing research about your background, your mindset and the way that you approach life and business I'll lump those two in is that.

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I love this phrase that I saw from you, which is being engaged in living is the responsibility.

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When you say that, I mean for me, language is big.

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So I come from an immigrant family and I think, just like you, we have immigrant stories as to how our families are here in the United States, and my mom, her fifth language, is English, and so I've always been fascinated by language, and so when I see being engaged in living, to me that sounds like a proactive thing.

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It is something we are actively pursuing.

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Is that engagement in living?

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What does that mean to you?

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Break that down for us, because I think it is such a different way of articulating your attitude towards life.

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So when we talk of responsibility, right, we forget the actual meaning of the word.

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It basically means the ability to respond, but what happens is the moment somebody tells us hey, this is your responsibility, we are focused or we are taking all our attention to doing something, and unless something is done, you know you are not responsible, whereas responsibility is just the ability to respond to something.

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And when can you respond to anything?

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Only when you're engaged.

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So engagement is what is more important.

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The doing part, or fulfilling your responsibility actually just becomes an outcome of it.

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It will happen, it will not happen.

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It depends on how you are engaged with it.

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It will happen, it will not happen.

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It depends on how you are engaged with it and when you need to engage with something, or when you understand the concept of being engaged, you will know that you can only be engaged when you are in the now.

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There is no past to it, there is no future to it.

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Engagement is happening now.

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It is at this very point that you are engaged, otherwise you're not engaged.

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If you're not in the present, in that moment you're not engaged.

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You're either thinking of the past or the future, and when you're doing that, when you're engaged completely.

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That means you're absolutely in the present.

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At that point, you have the clarity in your mind because all you're seeing is what is right in front of you, and that is what is more important than actually carrying a responsibility.

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It may be a number, it may be a target, it may be fulfilling some other relationship or anything.

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Engagement really makes all the difference, because the moment you get engaged, you get to be in the present, and the moment you're in the present, you are really not worried about anything and focusing completely on doing what is at hand, because nobody has pushed that onto you.

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That's something which actually you realize.

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It happened to you and that engagement is way beyond engaging because you need to do something.

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So that's the perspective of you know you need to do something.

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So that's the perspective of you know responsibility, engagement, being in the moment.

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And, if I extend that further, in order to be in the moment, to be engaged and to be in the present, you need to actually kill the past, which basically also means you need to kill your identity.

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Only when there is no identity you will be in the moment, you will be in the present.

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If not, there is an identity, there is an image that we have built, that we want to chase and we want to get to.

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So all these things are kind of lined up and this is all about realizing.

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It's different from the way I look at it or the way I realize it versus somebody else, and that's why I also tell people that you know, hey, don't accept what I'm saying, don't go by what I'm saying, because this is another conditioning that you're putting yourself through.

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You need to understand yourself, you need to be in that moment yourself, experience that, and then you're not going to be looking for answers from me or from anybody else or from books.

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You will actually be engaged so much in that moment that you really wouldn't care about anything else yeah, deepesh, I'll tell you what this is new thinking for a lot of people, and I feel like you're really challenging us to see the world a little bit differently, which is why we've been so excited to save this episode for a Mindset and Motivation Monday episode.

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So, listeners, we're coming at you strong to start this week because, dipesh, I want to go a little bit deeper here with you.

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You said the words killing our identity.

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This is something that we constantly talk about here on this podcast, because we hear a lot of identities, however permanent or temporary they may be, for so many entrepreneurs, even something as simple as someone saying, oh, I'm not creative, so I can't come up with a marketing plan, or I'm not this, or I have never been a boss.

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We have all these identities that we think we are, that we think we're not.

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Please, for the sake of our listeners, walk down this path with us.

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What do you mean when you say kill our identities?

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And then I'm going to tag on, because I know you're.

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You're up to this challenge.

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What is the role of identity?

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What is our identity as human beings who already we are being something?

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Let's talk about identity so.

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So let's understand.

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We, we call, we talk about a mind, right, all the time we say, hey, this is in my mind.

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What is mind if?

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If we just go and try, you know, get out some definitions.

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Typically, mind is composed of four different parts.

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You have a brain, which is the physical part.

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You have memory brain, which is the physical part.

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You have memory in it, which is also, to a great extent, physical.

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It comes in the physical part of it.

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The third is identity, which is actually built by memory which is in your brain.

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And the fourth part is actually consciousness.

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And that is something completely different from your brain, your memory, from identity.

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So what's happening is that identity is something which is formed based on memory.

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And how do we build our memory?

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We build it out of our five different senses the way we see the world, the way we understand, the way we hear, we smell, we taste, we feel.

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All that builds up memory, which actually comes up to define our identity.

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And if you think a little bit more deeper into identity, it's all the past.

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Everything that you know today, right now, all the knowledge that you've gathered, is past.

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It's already happened.

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So all that we have created is a past or an image of the past and that we don't realize interferes with everything that we do.

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Because that's the measure, that's the method, that's the system, that's how we start comparing and going about doing everything, which, if you ask me, is very limiting.

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So, on the one hand, we talk of getting freedom or being independent or, you know, expanding our horizons or scope and everything.

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On the other hand, we are so busy tying ourselves down with past and memory and therefore identity, any situation that we come across in life.

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If you have a conflict in your mind and you stop to think about it and bring in the word identity, you will realize your conflict is only because of identity, because that is where you want to differentiate yourself, you want to make yourself different, and that starts interfering and creating all your conflicts, which also keeps you away from engagement, because then you are just building that image.

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You're just so caught up in making sure that that image or that identity or that past is continuing that you actually cannot get into the future, you cannot transform, you cannot change.

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Nothing really happens.

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We are all stuck in that cycle.

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Yeah, deepesh, I want to use this analogy with you here today, because I know that listeners are going to be thinking about this and they all know that towards the end of these episodes I always love talking, not about the subject matter that we're discussing today, but entrepreneur to entrepreneur, and the analogy that I really want to use is tennis, roger Federer.

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So Roger Federer is perhaps debatably the greatest tennis player of all time, and the thing that I noticed when I watched him play tennis is it looks like he has more time than anyone else on the court.

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The ball is flying at every tennis player, you know, a hundred miles per hour, but Roger Federer seems to just magically have more time, and that's why his strokes are mechanically correct, he can aim, he can do the fundamentals more correctly than most other people, and it's not because he's inherently better.

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Every world-class tennis player has the fundamentals nailed down at levels that most people can't fathom, but it is that concept of time and Depeche.

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A lot of entrepreneurs and entrepreneurs listening to us today are going to think well, depeche, it's easy to say this, but there's only a certain amount of time in a day, and I am trying to manage some people's cases Maybe it's kids and some people's cases.

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Maybe their business is a side hustle and they still have a full-time job.

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Well, I'm going to use you as the example and have you navigate this for our listeners is that you run a very successful business with a team that services a really impressive client roster, and so, with that in mind, talk to us about your attitude towards time, how that leaks into and really plays into the way that you run business, the way that it factors into life and, of course, all of it is intertwined.

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So what's your perspective towards time?

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And I'll use the term that, I think colloquially, we use a lot time management.

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Deepesh, take us there, yeah.

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So time again, if we look at you know the concept of time, it's basically a measure.

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It is something that we have created mentally in order to be able to measure things, in order to be able to compare things, and that's kind of where we get stuck in that particular process of comparing and being a part of it, that we think we can manage that time.

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We can actually not manage time.

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What ends up happening is that the time part, or the time dimension, is actually controlling our lives.

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It's managing what we do because we have all these targets that we have set up.

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We have all these things that we need to achieve in the next 10 minutes, five minutes, whereas when it comes to being engaged and being in the present, you will not care about time.

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You will not think about I need to achieve this in this much time.

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You will actually achieve it much better and much faster because, back to the point, that your energies are all focused on what you're doing, the amount of bandwidth or mind width that you will create with that is beyond our comprehension, is beyond our comprehension because, ironically, there's this side that this is the same brain that we have to use to think about all we're talking about.

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You know, this whole spirituality side, or the mental side, or intelligence and knowledge, but at the same, brain we have to use to do our day-to-day tasks.

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So how do we differentiate that or where do we draw that line?

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So how do we differentiate that or where do we draw that line?

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There is no line.

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You actually are getting into engagement and being in the moment when all these targets that we want to achieve will actually happen, because then you are not busy in chasing a target.

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You will know.

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Actually, what really happens is you become very clear on your priorities.

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You actually understand that much better than by putting those 10 points on a piece of paper and then prioritizing them, because you know where your energy is going to be put in most and how that will happen is when you engage into a particular situation.

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The realization that happens at that point really makes you think of everything that you do at that very moment.

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It's not that you have a pre-planned schedule that you're just following without understanding and it would be chaotic.

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It is actually chaotic because then you're jumping from 20, 30 things into different areas all the time, because you're realizing, hey, I can, in this particular moment I could be doing these five things versus the one thing that I'm chasing.

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So it's all it all boils down to when you engage in that situation.

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The dimension of time is something which we have created to put pressure on ourself and keep us going, whereas that doesn't need to happen.

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That way, you will actually realize that you have to do what is most important, what is your priority, and that is something which you will automatically get into when the engagement is 100% into life.

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Yeah, I love that, especially because I want to call out something that we see so much in the world of business and entrepreneurship, and that is busyness.

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People love staying busy, and I think part of it is cultural, part of it is just what we constantly hear.

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When we read a business book or when we watch a business YouTube video or podcast episode is that we all have very long to-do lists.

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But, dipesh, what I'm hearing from you is that focusing on the now really discards all of those distractions.

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You use the word, and I think it's such a powerful word that we need to stress more.

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Is that clarity?

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Because it's kind of actually I'm going to botch this quote, but it's something that, especially in my late 20s, when I started being more open to the words of wisdom of so many philosophers who have put those words out there is that when they talk about a body of water, if that body of water is turbulent, you can't see through it.

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Only when the body of water is calm can you actually see beneath the surface, and I think that that's so important.

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I have to ask you this question, dipesh, while you're here with us today is what does this look like in practice for you?

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Because obviously part of this is we could say these words here today, but for a listener to really embody this and embrace this in their own life, they have to understand what that looks like, and so I know that there's so many vehicles and mediums through which we can practice this, such as meditation, which is something that I think very few of us were taught when we were growing up, but in adulthood.

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I think it's important for us to understand.

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You use the word mind with instead of bandwidth, and I love that, and so much of this comes back to that Dipesh from your perspective.

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What are some of those ways that you put this into practice?

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So I think all these terms about meditation and spirituality, these are all big words which nobody really understands the meaning, because it's beyond anybody's comprehension to understand that.

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Because we are so focused on doing that, I think the way to handle all this is basically trying to always be in the moment, trying to actually understand your energies.

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There's another aspect to this whole thing.

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When we talk of mind and we talk of all this engagement is to understand the physical, mental and the real self.

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There is the distance that needs to be created between our mental and physical part and the real self, because all this time when we are talking about being in the present, it's almost like you have yourself looking at the physical and the mental side of things, which is kind of supervising, which is always there to understand what is my mind and my body doing, to understand what is my mind and my body doing.

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And that is where all these terminologies for meditation and all these things to me at least, they fade away.

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They really don't help because I can tell you, 90% of the time when somebody sits down for a meditation and comes out of it and says oh wow, this was a great experience.

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That 20 minutes that the person was spending his mind was focused on, trying to focus.

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It was always busy and trying to stop thinking, trying to stay away, trying to do certain things, whereas meditation is not something you can do.

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It happens and that can happen anytime.

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It doesn't require you to sit in a corner or to sit in one place or to dedicate some time to it.

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It's basically that engagement, that involvement, which actually gives you the mind width, and that's why I use mind width, because you need that space.

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Your mind, your brain has got all the power to do a million things.

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We all know that.

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Right, but we keep it busy with so many other things, which takes away the energy, and that's why we want to break away from everything and go and sit somewhere and meditate and then think that, yeah, it's helped me, it really doesn't help.

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Just being engaged all the time in whatever you're doing actually gives you the bandwidth at times where you really need it, because your energies are required to do all these things.

00:34:18.445 --> 00:34:31.027
And coming up with the regimen itself is a problem, because that's what's keeping you engaged all the time In fulfilling that engagement, that regimen, rather than being engaged in what you're doing.

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You will certainly need to have a high level plan, as we call right, because if we take this in terms of the work that we do, the work that we're doing is what I call the survival part of living.

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There is the living part and there is a survival part, which is basically food, clothing and shelter, and if we understand that food, clothing and shelter surviving part of it you will understand that how is it different from living?

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Living is already happening.

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All that we are doing is for food, clothing and shelter, and how much time and how much effort do we want to put into it?

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I mean, humanity has tried this for what I don't know 60, 80,000 years.

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Every time, the whole mental problem comes up in a different form.

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It's not going away, and the only way to understand, for it to go away is to understand what is happening.

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We, we, we are stuck in the cycle where we want to actually fix one problem with another problem rather than take a step back, understand the whole thing and then reprioritize everything.

00:35:36.126 --> 00:35:44.371
Rather, reprioritization would be automatic the moment you start living in the present because you are not really worried about tomorrow.

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That is taking 50% of the energy that we have.

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If that is given back to you, you put it to use whatever comes in front of you and you will succeed there.

00:35:54.126 --> 00:35:58.775
So that is given back to you, you put it to use whatever comes in front of you and you will succeed there.

00:35:58.775 --> 00:36:01.320
So that differentiation is what is keeping us, and we are trying to again.

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We are already conditioned in a particular way of living and we are actually enhancing that conditioning.

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We are putting in more restrictions on ourselves to try and fix that problem, but it's actually only aggravating the problem.

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In order to fix that problem, we need to understand what we are doing.

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Rather, why are we doing it?

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We are not required to do a lot of things.

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We need to learn to be rather than become, and that would actually create the whole space for us to understand what do I need to do now, what is happening now, and these things will come automatically, versus putting on a schedule and running that schedule.

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That's something which is another conditioning that we need to have.

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We are putting ourselves into, we're just taking away the freedom which is what we got into entrepreneurship, you know, end of the day, for that freedom to be able to do what we want to do, but we again want to put a system in place and in order to achieve certain things.

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I can guarantee you the achievement that would happen is way beyond what we plan for.

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And again I'll come back to the point don't take it from me, don't accept everything that we are doing.

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Put yourself in that experience, try and get that experience of yourself, accept whatever the situation is and then go with it, and you will see the difference that you really do need to be chasing those you know becomings or those rainbows that we think would give us all the happiness that we want.

00:37:31.302 --> 00:37:37.581
Happiness again to me could be a discussion of another day, but that is another concept that we are struggling with a lot.

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Yes, for sure, deepesh, I'll tell you this is that this is a special episode for us, because these are the real things.

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Listeners may have tuned in to today's episode, thinking we're going to talk about IT and thinking we're going to talk about all these business strategies and how to get new clients.

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But listeners I want to publicly call this out is that Deepesh is clearly a very brilliant person and he's one of us.

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He's a fellow entrepreneur, and I think that having this opportunity to hear the way his mind works, this is so invaluable to all of us, because success doesn't happen by mistake.

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However, we want to measure that, deepesh, you're showing us here in real time the thought process that you are, and the thought process that really reveals itself in the results that you get in life by focusing on living, by focusing on that now, and so I think this is the powerful stuff that we certainly do not talk about as much as we now, and so I think this is the powerful stuff that we certainly do not talk about as much as we should, and so there's such a wealth of knowledge and wisdom because you've been curious, because you've done the work to get you here, so I so appreciate you doing that, and I agree to your last point.

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We could probably have a multi-day or a week-long workshop on all of this stuff, deepesh, and I'm so excited about the fact that you are, like I said, one of us and you're putting all this great stuff into the world, not only through you talking about it, but by embodying it, by being a living example of it.

00:38:57.505 --> 00:39:08.164
So, with all of that said, I'd love for you, for us, to tell us a little bit more about CMIT Solutions of Silver Spring and drop those links on us for listeners who are thinking Depeche.

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This is a different way of thinking.

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How can you make my life easier with managed IT services?

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What does that look like?

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What's your business and where can people find it on the internet?

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So, yeah, so CMIT solutions uh, we are, like I said, we are, a national level IT managed services company.

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It managed services company.

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I personally focus a lot on risk assessment and cybersecurity, because that's something which is again taking away a lot of our bandwidth and mind width in businesses, because it's more than what it used to be some time back, when you were afraid of your data being lost or you're not having a backup or somebody you know just taking over your systems.

00:39:50.688 --> 00:39:53.344
Nowadays it's more about your business.

00:39:53.344 --> 00:40:00.487
Ransomware and cyber issues today actually, you know, hurt the whole business.

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People go out of business because of that.

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So that's what we actually specialize in that.

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But as a managed IT service provider, we are your technology team, me and my team.

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We actually come understand what your requirements are.

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Where are you in your journey as a strategic initiative that you've taken?

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Where do you want your business to go?

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And then we bring in the enterprise thought into it that where can technology actually help you in getting to your goals?

00:40:34.476 --> 00:40:42.923
It's not just you need to have computers or you need to have a network or you need to have, you know, all these kinds of gadgets and technology around you.

00:40:42.923 --> 00:40:48.603
It's how does that strategically help you in achieving your goals and CMIT Solutions.

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You can just go to cmitsolutionscom.

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My office is in Silver Spring where we have, you know, and all the utilities to make sure that your systems are actually up and running, they're secure 24-7 and provide you that level of service that you can actually sleep in peace and be in the moment so that you can focus and do your business versus worrying about my computers are not working or I might get a ransomware attack.

00:41:32.476 --> 00:41:34.963
Yes, I love the way it came full circle.

00:41:34.963 --> 00:41:40.894
Deepesh, that is such a powerful lesson for all of us, not only in life, but also in business.

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I think in all of the things is that it all comes back to that ability for us and the focus of us to be in that moment and the fact that your company helps so many others do that.

00:41:51.380 --> 00:41:58.202
When it comes to the IT portion of running a business, I love the slogan leave it, leave IT to us.

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You have a business, Taran.

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I absolutely love that.

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So, listeners, you already know the drill.

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We are linking to cmitsolutionscom down in the show notes.

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Wherever it is that you're tuning into today's episode, that's cmitsolutionscom.

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Down in the show notes.

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Wherever it is that you're tuning into today's episode, that's cmitsolutionscom.

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Find that link down below.

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We're also linking personally to Deepesh's LinkedIn.

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If you want to reach out to him because he's provoked so much and you want to thank him for today's episode, or you just want to have a great entrepreneur in your network who you can learn from and who you can see being this living embodiment of all the things that he shared with us here today, then find those links down below.

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Otherwise, Deepesh, on behalf of myself and all of our listeners worldwide.

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Thank you so much for being a wealth of wisdom, a thought-provoking wisdom, here on the show today.

00:42:42.483 --> 00:42:43.126
No, thank you.

00:42:43.126 --> 00:42:44.615
Thank you so much for having me, brian.

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I think people need to just find their own path.

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Don't follow me.

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Don't look at what I've said.

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Just understand that, so that you can actually experience what I'm going through.

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Hey, it's Brian here, and thanks for tuning in to yet another episode of the Wantrepreneur to Entrepreneur podcast.

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If you haven't checked us out online, there's so much good stuff there.

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Check out the show's website and all the show notes that we talked about in today's episode at thewantrepreneurshowcom, and I just want to givea shout out to our amazing guests.

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There's a reason why we are ad free and have produced so many incredible episodes five days a week for you, and it's because our guests step up to the plate.

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These are not sponsored episodes.

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These are not infomercials.

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Our guests help us cover the costs of our productions.

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They so deeply believe in the power of getting their message out in front of you, awesome entrepreneurs and entrepreneurs, that they contribute to help us make these productions possible.

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So thank you to not only today's guests, but all of our guests in general, and I just want to invite you check out our website because you can send us a voicemail there.

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We also have live chat.

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If you want to interact directly with me, go to thewantrepreneurshowcom.

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Initiate a live chat.

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It's for real me, and I'm excited because I'll see you, as always every Monday, wednesday, friday, saturday and Sunday here on the Wantrepreneur to Entrepreneur podcast.